"CUSTOMER SERVICE"Man-Corporate Interface: A True Parable of Our Timesby Uriel Wittenberg (uw@urielw.com)
May 22, 2005
In the interests of advancing public insight and assisting any future chroniclers of our times, I have elected to publicly exhibit certain recent communications with a corporation which capture many essential elements of the contemporary consumer Zeitgeist. The corporation involved is Bell Canada, a company whose business is all about communication. It is the main subsidiary of Bell Canada Enterprises, Canada's largest communications company (according to its website), and it provides "local telephone, long distance, wireless communications, Internet access, data, satellite television and other services to residential and business customers through some 27 million customer connections." Bell Canada offers High Speed Internet Access service through a corporate unit known as Bell Sympatico. I am a customer. The communications I've received from this communications company may astound and appall you. Please bear in mind that what follows is not just one man's experience, but something that highlights the contemporary condition. I am clarifying your world. Satisfaction not guaranteed.
BACKGROUNDUsers of Bell Sympatico's Internet service may have multiple email addresses. Customers can create and/or delete their email addresses themselves at Bell Sympatico's "self-care" website.I'd been using the address tomrsn@sympatico.ca for some time, but once it began receiving excessive spam I decided to delete it and create a new address which I'd use from then on. After deletion, of course, the address tomrsn@sympatico.ca was no longer valid, and I received error messages on attempting to retrieve mail sent to that mailbox. Question: What should happen if Joe, not knowing of my address change, sends email to tomrsn@sympatico.ca after I have deleted the address? Answer: Bell Sympatico's system should bounce back with an automatic response so that Joe ends up getting a message like: Your message was rejected -- tomrsn@sympatico.ca is not a valid address. Otherwise, Joe will assume his message will reach me. I'm spelling this out awfully painstakingly so as to be accessible even to the granny generation, but really, my dears, all this is utterly elementary in the Internet world. Anyway, that's the problem here. No bounce-back is happening for messages sent to my defunct tomrsn@sympatico.ca address. There is something wrong with the Bell Sympatico system. I inquired about the technical issue on the comp.mail.misc newsgroup (my original post 28 Jun 2005 16:12:34 -0400; discussion reproduced here and here, among other places). Several people with much more sophisticated knowledge of email technicalities than I have responded. Their views varied a bit, but generally the experts agreed that, as one put it succinctly,
Sympatico, as usual, is full of sh*t. More specifically:
Below are my communications with Bell Sympatico people, wherein I attempt to bring them news of this problem.
Communications with Technical Support personnelAs you chew on the meat of the matter in the correspondence below, be careful to savor the incidentals as well. For example:
The correspondence follows:
From Uriel to SympaticoFrom: Uriel WittenbergTo: Sympatico Tech Support Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 4:29 PM Subject: No bounce from deleted mailbox Greetings. I deleted my <tomrsn@sympatico.ca> address today. But messages sent to it are not bounced back. I found this because I did not receive a bounce back to my <uw@urielw.com> address, as I should have because of the message shown below (sent 1:45 PM). Please advise! Thanks,
Uriel
----- Original Message -----
From Sympatico to UrielFrom: SympaticoTo: Uriel Wittenberg Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 8:04 PM Subject: Re: No bounce from deleted mailbox (KMM11316087V28510L0KM) Hello Mr. Wittenberg, You have reached Bell Internet Services, my name is Luke and I appreciate the opportunity to respond. You can not change the parent email account. Therefore even if you remove it from Outlook Express it is still a valide email account in our files. Do not hesitate to contact us again. NetAssistant* is a free service that delivers leading edge, diagnostic and repair tools directly to your desktop. The program will detect and fix problems on your computer related to your Internet connection, e-mail or Web browser. You can also chat with a live Sympatico representative 24/7 via NetAssistant. Download NetAssistant today at: http://download.sympatico.ca/netassistant/netassistant.exe Thank you for choosing Bell and have a nice day. Regards,
Luke
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From Uriel to SympaticoFrom: Uriel WittenbergTo: Sympatico Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 10:40 PM Subject: Re: No bounce from deleted mailbox (KMM11316087V28510L0KM) You have misunderstood the problem. I did not attempt to change the parent email account. The main email address is [an address different from tomrsn@sympatico.ca].
I deleted an extra email address I'd added to my account:
From Sympatico to UrielFrom: SympaticoTo: Uriel Wittenberg Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 12:13 AM Subject: Re: Re: No bounce from deleted mailbox (KMM11316915V43841L0KM) Hello Uriel Wittenberg, You have reached Bell Internet Services, my name is Michel and I appreciate the opportunity to respond. *****RRC:etimoreinfo,LID:mlacroix***** Your message does not contain the information we need to efficiently troubleshoot. To help you remedy this issue, please try to answer as many questions below as possible:
- What email program are you using? Upon receipt of this information, we will be able to assist you further. I trust that I have answered all of your questions or concerns regarding your email problem. Do not hesitate to contact us again. NetAssistant* is a free service that delivers leading edge, diagnostic and repair tools directly to your desktop. The program will detect and fix problems on your computer related to your Internet connection, e-mail or Web browser. You can also chat with a live Sympatico representative 24/7 via NetAssistant. Download NetAssistant today at: http://download.sympatico.ca/netassistant/netassistant.exe Thank you for choosing Bell and have a nice day. Regards,
Michel
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From Uriel to SympaticoFrom: Uriel WittenbergTo: Sympatico Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 12:06 PM Subject: Re: Re: No bounce from deleted mailbox (KMM11316915V43841L0KM) This is unbelievable. Please READ my message and THINK about the problem. Don't just copy and paste irrelevant questions. I've supplied ALL THE INFORMATION YOU NEED.
From Sympatico to UrielFrom: SympaticoTo: Uriel Wittenberg Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 1:35 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: No bounce from deleted mailbox (KMM11318498V91475L0KM) Hello Uriel Wittenberg, You have reached Bell Internet Services, my name is Kevin and I appreciate the opportunity to respond. Please accept my apologies for any inconvenience and confusion our previous message may have caused. It can take up to 72 hours for the mail server to update an address after it has been cancelled. I have just tested the account in question and received the following error message: "tomrsn@sympatico.ca was not allowed by the SMTP server: 550 Invalid recipient: <tomrsn@sympatico.ca>" This address has now been cancelled fully and anyone attempting to send something to this address will receive this message. I trust that I have answered all of your questions or concerns regarding this inquiry. Do not hesitate to contact us again. Thank you for choosing Bell and have a nice day. Regards,
Kevin
From Uriel to SympaticoFrom: Uriel WittenbergTo: Sympatico Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 1:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: No bounce from deleted mailbox (KMM11318498V91475L0KM) At last someone has actually read my query! Thanks Kevin. Seems to me however your system doesn't work as it should. Messages sent during those 72 hours don't reach me -- AND the sender gets no notice. Those messages just go into a black hole. That shouldn't happen.
From Sympatico to UrielFrom: SympaticoTo: Uriel Wittenberg Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 2:35 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: No bounce from deleted mailbox (KMM11318753V95426L0KM) Hello Uriel Wittenberg, Thank you for your reply. It's Kevin again from the Bell Internet service. I appreciate the opportunity to respond. Your comments and suggestions are well-taken. Please accept our apologies for the frustration and inconvenience you have recently experienced with our email service. I have taken the liberty of passing this to our Development Team for review. If feasible, they will factor this type of feature into future server updates. Thank you for choosing Bell and have a nice day. Regards,
Kevin
From Uriel to SympaticoFrom: Uriel WittenbergTo: Sympatico Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 3:44 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: No bounce from deleted mailbox (KMM11318498V91475L0KM) Hello Kevin, Contrary to your advice, it is NOT the case that "anyone attempting to send something to this address will receive this message." I got not bounce-back after sending the test message shown below. So ------- THE PROBLEM STILL PERSISTS AS OF NOW.
----- Original Message ----- hi
From Sympatico to UrielFrom: SympaticoTo: Uriel Wittenberg Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 5:15 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: No bounce from deleted mailbox (KMM11334208V77536L0KM) Hello Uriel Wittenberg, You have reached Bell Internet Services, my name is Sal and I appreciate the opportunity to respond. *****RRC:etineedpass,LID:smukbil***** In order for us to troubleshoot further, we will need you to provide us with your account password. Once we have this information, we can escalate the issue to our Network Department. Regards,
Sal
From Uriel to SympaticoFrom: Uriel WittenbergTo: Sympatico Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 5:20 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: No bounce from deleted mailbox (KMM11334208V77536L0KM) You want me to email you my account password? Please phone me for this at [...]?
From Sympatico to UrielFrom: SympaticoTo: Uriel Wittenberg Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 8:21 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No bounce from deleted mailbox (KMM11334813V85670L0KM) Hello Mr. Wittenberg, You have reached Bell Internet Services, my name is Marc and I appreciate the opportunity to respond. *****RRC:eticallus,LID:mfrappier***** I understand you don't want to give us personal information. In this case, to better assist you, I suggest you call our Technical Helpdesk at 310-SURF (7873) in Ontario and Quebec or 1 (800) 773-2121 in other parts of Canada.
From Uriel to SympaticoFrom: Uriel WittenbergTo: Sympatico Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No bounce from deleted mailbox (KMM11334813V85670L0KM) Marc, this should be EASY TO UNDERSTAND. I DELETED my address, tomrsn@sympatico.ca. When I now send a test message to that address, THERE IS NO BOUNCE-BACK indicating it's an invalid address. Surely you don't need my PASSWORD to investigate this problem.
From Sympatico to UrielFrom: SympaticoTo: Uriel Wittenberg Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 5:23 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: No bounce from deleted mailbox (KMM11339989V52119L0KM) Hello Mr. Wittenberg, You have reached Bell Internet Services, my name is Joseph and I appreciate the opportunity to respond. I apologize for the inconvenience this issue may have caused you. You are right, your email address tomrsn@sympatico.ca is still active. The reason is that the database linked to your selfcare tool is down. I suggest therefore to try it later.
From Sympatico to UrielFrom: Sympatico Member ServicesTo: Uriel Wittenberg Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 10:49 AM Subject: Your recent call We're listening Dear URIEL WITTENBERG, Thank you for letting us know about the technical problems you were experiencing. Bell Canada values your business and is committed to providing our Sympatico customers with excellence in customer service. We're continually evaluating our business and looking for more efficient ways to serve our customers. Your continued support helps us to achieve this goal. If you feel your concerns were not addressed directly, or if you ever have another question, don't hesitate to let us know. That's why 310-SURF (310-7873) exists. It's there to help us help you. As a special thank you for being such a loyal customer, we would like to offer you $10 of FREE downloads from the Sympatico Music Store, powered by Puretracks(TM). Just click on the link below to receive it. http://memberservices.sympatico.ca/cgi-bin/ca.exe?wts:pid=60&sid=eg&epid=70988266&a=1275182500&b=153101
Thanks again,
NOTEKevin, above, said he had received an "invalid recipient" message upon sending to tomrsn@sympatico.ca. To explain, that is because he was sending from Sympatico's own email server. I get the same result when using Sympatico's server to send a test message. On sending from any server other than Sympatico's, however, no such message results. Of course, most Internet users in the world aren't Sympatico customers and don't use a Sympatico server, so none of them would receive an "invalid address" notification on sending to tomrsn@sympatico.ca.Communications with Executive Office of Customer RelationsAll communications about this issue up to the last message shown above were via email. Waits, holds, and general inefficiency normally deter at least this customer from wishing to phone the company. But after the last message above, on May 20, I phoned the Bell Vice President's Group, which is supposed to provide special assistance for overcoming obstacles. I spoke with a fellow called Roger Simpson who readily grasped the problem and said he'd transfer me to the "executive office for complaints," where they had the power to initiate a technical investigation into the issue. The transfer brought me to an automatic attendant. I left a message. It was never returned.I emailed Roger 3 times over the next 10 days pointing this out. He never responded. Eventually I made the call to Marco Lanoue, a person who works at that purported "Executive Office." He agreed to investigate and email me within a couple of days. After 2 weeks, with some further prodding from me, he produced this:
From: Executive Office of Customer Relations I responded:
From: Uriel Wittenberg But the effort already expended by Mr. Lanoue had left him too exhausted to reply. I gave him a week's repose, then tried again:
From: Uriel Wittenberg But, again, I'm being ignored. And the strategy has worked. They've worn me out. If you like, you can see this issue for yourself. Just invent some random address @sympatico.ca that's unlikely to exist, e.g. axut2982479@sympatico.ca, and send a message to it. You too will get no response.
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